God Vs Satan

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  1. ScooterBrandon

    ScooterBrandon Senior Investor

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    I had a REALLY interesting conversation last night that I wanted to share here to see what people thought.
    We were talking about God and Satan, and my one friend had a really different point.
    He was saying that Satan isn't really recording actually doing a lot of bad stuff. Whereas God is.
    I mean God has murdered so many people, sometimes whole nations just because they did some (often) trivial stuff he didn't like. He also condones the murder of people by people for various reasons. God also seems kind of insecure since he mandates that we spend so much or our free time worshiping him and making him the centre of our lives and gets REALLY upset when we don't. Sounds like a few girls I went to highschool with.

    Satan on the other hand doesn't have this reputation. He also is willing to take in all the souls that God refuses too.

    What do you all think about this?
     
  2. SteakTartare

    SteakTartare Senior Investor

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    I have heard this line of argument before. It goes something like this "If the Bible didn't say God was the creator/good guy/etc., how would you have known?" The reason being that Satan's antics in the Bible is limited to a, relatively, small number of verses, while the Old Testament God is smiting people left and right with impunity.

    I get the argument, but I think the better question is why proof does one have that a supernatural being of any kind (God, Satan, angels, etc.) even exist? Have proof, great, share it. If not, it is just so much philosophical rambling.
     
  3. Rainman

    Rainman Senior Investor

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    Many people merely hear wild tales about Satan, how he's all laid back and stuff. But how true is that? Do you know that once someone becomes a Satanists there's no way you can leave the cult? Many of those who attempt to or actually leave the cult will be murdered so secrets about the sacrificing of children and other vile things they [satanists] do should remain hidden. There's really no way you can compare God with Satan. Satan we know . . . but God, we only hear tales about him.
     
  4. manoharb

    manoharb Senior Investor

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    Scientific Principles of 'Adwaita' ( End of word Duet) or Buddha (awaken) or Tathagata ( who reached at supreme stage of Body and mind) , condemns 'Dwaita' (Duet), wherever there are two opposite words, both are illusions of mind. Men and women, Earth and sky, Heaven and Hell, Best and worst. God and Satan is part of Dwaita too. In world 99% population follows Dwaita principle. Dwaita principles are based on 'Karma'. 100% world population can't get enlightened, but if only 5% population got enlightened in this world. world will change alot . but real winners always do good karma for losers so they can become winners.
    world and stock market both have similarities, 95% losers, 5% winners. 100% traders never get successful in world. Hedging stocks is also like following Adwaita principle. Trader, who knew where to hedge, how to hedge, he makes profit or success on path of enlightenment. word Dwaita means only jealousy,struggle, war, stress..........
    How to deal with these words, we call that art path of enlightenment. according to 'Kriya-Yoga' principle, only act, never react... Your actions and decisions in life are also part of Karma. which matters most for Enlightenment. So, as a small human being in this world, actions and decisions which i took keeps most importance for me, in my life. Reaction can only make me jealous against another illusion. that illusion can keep me away from enlightenment. so God and Satan , For 1 person whoever is God, He is satan for another person. I made profit means somebody made loss. what will i do ? Got jealous because somebody made my loss is reaction and How i can improvise my analysis and make profit, this is action. my actions make me better person and puts me on path of enlightenment. so God and Satan, both are illusions for me, or say, In my path of upgrading my healthy life ( Physically, Mentally, Spiritually ). I have no time to discuss about. who is God and who is satan.
     
  5. crimsonghost747

    crimsonghost747 Senior Investor

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    Interesting way of seeing things. I'm not religious at all so I don't believe in any of this.
    But seems like God wants people to be proper and quiet and not to do anything fun. So heaven must be all about sitting on a cloud playing a fucking harp.
    Satan on the other hand accepts all sorts of people with vices and according to some tries to tempt people to do these things. So then... isn't hell just all about partying, drinking, sex etc? :D Sounds good to me!
     
  6. ScooterBrandon

    ScooterBrandon Senior Investor

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    Haha I was thinking that too. Plus I wonder what the food like is there too, all junk food?
    Also the one thing I didn't like about the idea of heaven is contained in the following thought experiment (It's the only way I have ever been really explain what I think on this one)
    Let's say I am doing everything right in life to go to heaven according to whatever region i'm following. But my family is not, they are big time sinners. However I love them deeply, as most religions tell you to do anyways.
    So when we all die I go to heaven and they go to hell. How in the bleep am I supposed to live forever observing them living forever in torment if I love them, that would be my own version of hell...
     
  7. Rainman

    Rainman Senior Investor

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    . . . and things past shall never come to mind. Only those in hell get to worry about their families. They don't want them to go where they are. Those in heaven however have no need for loved ones where they are because it's one huge family out there. Every person you meet is your best friend and brother and sister. Would you remember those you left on earth? No. And by the way hell is more than just a place of fire and brimstone. It's eternal separation from God. Separation from the SOURCE of life is death. Those in hell don't get to live forever. God will take His [gift (of)] life out of them and they'll cease to be.
     
  8. missbishi

    missbishi Well-Known Member

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    I've heard several reports of people being murdered by Christian cults too though...

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/shocking-moment-mother-murdered-mcdonalds-3632987

    http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/love-and-death-in-the-house-of-prayer-20140121

    Now obviously these are somewhat isolated incidents, carried out by extremists but such cults do exist in the name of God. Maybe it's extremists of any religion we need to be fearful of rather than the religions themselves?
     
  9. ScooterBrandon

    ScooterBrandon Senior Investor

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    This is right on the money here. It doesn't seem to matter which ideology you subscribe too (okay maybe Buddhism or pacifism might be exceptions but hear me out) but extremism will cause terrible behavior. Extreme atheists or even environmentalism cause much more harm than they do good.
     
  10. JoshPosh

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    The greatest mass murderer of all time was a Christian. Adolph Hitler hated the Jews for crucifying Jesus Christ. Hence one of the reason why he tried to exterminate them all.

    But back to the OP. God vs Satan. God is suppose to be all loving and powerful, forgiving, merciful and nurturing. But he annihilated every man woman and child on the planet with massive floods and killed all the first born of Egypt. This does not sound like a merciful god. It sound like a Adolph Hitler to me. On the other hand we got Satan. He is suppose to represent all that is evil. But I never heard of anyone being killed by him. Weird.
     

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