Finally, at last some western media, (well the Telegraph, anyway), are starting to tell the truth and acknowledge that Putin and Russia have been demonised for months and that Europe and the U.S have desperately tried to suck Ukraine into their sphere and are responsible for this whole tragedy and fiasco. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ow-the-West-lured-Ukraine-into-its-orbit.html
First off, anyone who believes everything that is said in the media is basically hopeless when it comes to analysis and thought. I think by now it should be evident that the media is bias on a good day and bought on a bad one. And when it comes to this situation, we Americans have to be careful. If we support everything the American government is saying then we are being hypocrites since America invaded several countries in recent history. But if we were to leave American politics aside, and just consider this whole situation from a humanitarian and sovereignty standpoint, what Russia is doing isn't an act of peace, even if they are being provoked. I don't care whether the media is demonizing Putin or not, sending your soldiers into another country without permission is an act of war.
Agreed. The problem being is that they greatly influence public opinion as the vast majority of people are so busy struggling with their lives that they have neither the time or energy to research. This facilitates wars under false pretexts with public backing. Undeniable. Washington and the Pentagon, as well as the E.U and NATO, know exactly what is happening, (having implemented it), so what does this say about the hypocrisy of our leaders... who we keep electing? Poroshenko has now agreed a cease fire which Moscow has sought right from the start. This was only achieved by military means, (the routing of the Ukrainian army) by the DPR. I would have to disagree on two levels with this. Russia has a duty to protect itself from military aggression by the West. It will never allow the placement on its borders of the missile systems which would compromise its defense capability. I do not know to what extent they are militarily supporting the DPR but what is fact is, the West have offered no credible evidence that they are militarily involved but even so they are threatening Russia and making plans to place their troops all around Russia as well as directly attacking Russia economically. This is warfare. Secondly, even if they are militarily involved in a very minor way, (obviously they could not hide a major military intervention), they are doing so at the request of the local government which is arguably more legitimate than the coup Junta that seized power by violence and intimidation. But we should look at who stands to gain from all this. Invariably, these are the instigators and even a cursory analysis shows who that is. American corporations and banking systems. This is all to do with maintaining the Petrodollar, asset stripping and expansionism.
Some sense prevailing in some media. God Op Ed article from http://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...mer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault Amazing how the people of Donetsk region do not rush away from the 'invading Russian forces' and seek refuge in the arms of the kindly Ukrainian military that the West is so keen on supporting. But of course, according to Washington rhetoric the elections were a farce and at the barrel of a gun. Strange how the people have voted with their feet.... Why are the the people running to Russia if they are the aggressor????? or perhaps Russia has kidnapped them and is holding them hostage!!!!! Damn those Ruskies are clever. Oh perhaps not tho... perhaps they are well aware how that type of Western backed 'democracy' operates.... Yeah the Kiev fascists are so popular... can't wait to have them as E.U. members. Sure Washington can't wait either, they would be so useful in training up the Fergusen police. Oh, I forgot, Kerry, Mccain, Obama, Cameron, Merkel, Rassmussen etc have 'absolutely no idea these atrocities are happening' Well they wouldn't would they because its not reported in our media. And to think how the German public was accused of complicity with what the Nazis did in the concentration camps. Protestations of "We didn't know" were ridiculed. So what is our excuse? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKacrqOmIw
I know this sounds like it belongs in the joke thread but its actually true!!!!! 'Ukraine demands Russia compensate it for its own army's destruction of East Ukraine!' You just couldn't make it up http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/221643.html
That article sounds like complete bull and why would I believe that the U.S and Europe were responsible for that mess. Even now I am pretty sure it was Putin who put those Russian troops in Ukraine. The post above mine about Ukraine wanting compensation for its own army's destruction does sound like a joke.
You make some good points here. And I actually do understand the wall Russia has been pushed up against. The choices are always difficult when you are put in such a situation. Kind of like a "damned if you do and damned if you don't". But I like to look at politics on a human, everyday level. Otherwise political decisions and beliefs turn into just another chess game of power and greed, forgetting that underneath it all mothers, fathers, children, sisters and brothers will be affected by each position that is made. Right now, thousands of people have died since the war started. If Russia hadn't tried to militarily invade, this wouldn't have happened, at least not in this way. I remember my mom used to tell me all the time while I was growing up: "two wrongs don't make a right."
Thanks for the response. I am interested in the rationale behind alternate viewpoints and am happy to discuss and learn. The way I view it is Russia had no choice but to make a stand and they have done that in a very measured manner IMO. How would the U.S react to being hemmed in and surrounded by Russian or Chinese nukes. We know that from 1963. Why should Russia, China or anyone else for that matter accept such threats. Political decisions are precisely that and take into account 'National Interests' aka 'The elites Interests'. Humanitarian concerns are secondary, if that. I do not understand what you are referring to about "If Russia hadn't tried to militarily invade". There is no evidence that they have and I suggest there would be no debate about it if they had because it would be readily apparent to all. As for the thousands who have died... who is responsible for that? The DPR said 'We want a say in our region and are not prepared to be dictated to by a government in Kiev which came about by a Western backed coup which we did not support and had no part in'. Simple. They made no aggressive moves toward Kiev. They still paid their taxes to Kiev. They simply said, 'We want a say in how our region runs and we object to some of what you are proposing in Kiev'. i.e 'We want the Russian language, which most people here speak, kept as 'AN' official language'. We want good relations with Russia and do not want U.S missiles deployed in our region, making us a threat and a target for Russia'. The next thing is, (after a visit from U.S diplomats and CIA head), the people of Donetsk and Slavyansk are designated 'terrorists' and shelled to peieces by their own government. Now I would like to know how Russia is responsible for that. Does anyone have any video of the people of Donetsk welcoming the Ukranian army as liberators... I have never seen any but I have seen plenty of them being cursed and villified for carrying out the destruction of the towns and cities and the murder of civilians. So? How is Russia to blame? What else could they have done other than what they have done which is to repeatedly call for cease fires and dialogue. That's my view for what it is worth.
