Gun Control

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by soultakerkage, May 18, 2014.

  1. soultakerkage

    soultakerkage Guest

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    I really would like to hear people's opinion of this. I don't believe in gun control. At least not how the politicians like to talk about it. I don't see how making anymore laws, extending waiting times, and making deeper background checks help. This is especially pointless when most criminals get guns through illegal means. Criminals getting guns illegally, crazy right? Instead, I believe we should be cracking down on the illegal selling and exporting of guns in the United States. I also believe we should make it easier to track guns using their serial numbers. Gun owners should be able to still sell their guns in gun shows, ebay, etc. When selling/trading a car, you are also giving away the title to the car. Selling/trading guns should work in a similar fashion with the serial number. If you don't turn in the title to that serial number to the next owner, it should be considered an illegal act on both the buyer and seller. This can make criminal investigations with guns much easier by tracking where a gun has been or where it is suppose to be. That's my solution but what does everyone think on the issue.
     
  2. CrystalMarie

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    I feel like gun control is just another way for the government to take away one of our freedoms. I personally do not own a gun but I have family members that do. I think it is our right to protect ourselves. They media tries to show all these shootings to try to convince us to go along with gun control. It won't work for me.
     
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  3. Abqu

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    There's no real reason for there to be high-capacity rounds or assault rifles. I can't think of a single lawful reason for those exist, so I think they should be banned. If we want original constitutional intent, then I'd imagine handguns wouldn't be in play either. It's convenient to scream about the second amendment and ignore the intent of why it was put in place to begin with. Now, if people want hunting rifles or even shotguns in their home for sport or defense, then I'm all for that.
     
  4. JR Ewing

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    The Supreme Court has agreed that the right to bear arms is also intended for individuals and not just the big govt militia.

    I don't think the govt or anyone else has the right to tell me how many rounds I'm allowed to have on my guns or which weapons I can or cannot have or whatever.

    Bottom line, according to the Constitution you have the right to decide for yourself to have or not have weapons. The left wants to put all sorts of qualifiers and quantifiers on this, yet they feel very differently about voter ID laws. If you do not want weapons in your home and on your person, or do not want weapons above a certain size or capacity, you have the right not to have them.
     
  5. Philosophydaddy

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    As a gun owner and enthusiast I must respectfully disagree. There are weapons systems available that, I believe, have no business being in civilian hands. For one thing, armor piercing ammunition. Show me a deer wearing a bullet proof vest and you will change my mind about civilians having such ammo. As it is, the only purpose such ammo has is for killing cops and military personnel.

    I do, also, disagree with @Abqu about the statement on handguns. Concealed Carry is an important part of the right to bear arms because it levels the playing field. If you are face to face with a criminal and s/he is threatening you, or others around you, by any means, you have the right to defend yourself and those around you from harm. A caveat to this is that if you draw your weapon you had best be ready to use it and have justifiable reason to draw. I have heard many stories of overzealous CCWs drawing at the drop of a hat only to be sued for assault with a deadly weapon, even though not a shot was fired nor a blow struck.

    All in all, I highly doubt that any sane and reasonable person is likely to try and attempt to repeal the second amendment. It is simply not a controversial issue any more. Gun violence is plummeting. Crimes committed with guns have statistically dropped by leaps and bounds. The only people who would have you think different is the media.
     
  6. JR Ewing

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    Double post
     
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  7. JR Ewing

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    The media is VERY powerful in this country. It's naive to think that some don't want to alter or even repeal the 2nd Amendment. There's a very liberal retired Supreme Court judge who just wrote a book proposing changes in the US, and one of his major obsessions is changing the 2nd so that only the govt militia is armed and NOT the citizens.

    And the radical who Obama had recently tried to appoint for heading the AG's civil rights division (who was recently voted down) is known for saying that the "2nd Amendment is a joke", etc.

    Chicago successfully banned guns from their city, and of course murder is skyrocketing there. It's also very hard to get guns legally in NY and several other cities these days.

    Criminals will ALWAYS have guns, ammo, etc. Excessive rules and restrictions are a slippery slope and only leave law abiding citizens vulnerable.
     
  8. Philosophydaddy

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    I will admit I overgeneralized when I said no one would even try to repeal the 2nd amendment. What I will say, however, (and perhaps this is the idealist in me) any attempt to do so is bound to fail. Most Americans love their guns too much. Yes, some cities have either made it very difficult or outright impossible to possess a firearm, and they are paying the price. Hopefully, people in these places will realize that unless ALL guns are confiscated and we revert to a system akin to the UK (where most police are not even armed), there will continue to be a higher rate of gun violence. Obviously the US is not about to institute a law as radical as the one the UK so these people need to "wake up" as it were.
     
  9. mmmaske

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    I wonder if people's stances were changed if the media were really all about cold, hard facts and not doing any fear-mongering.
    Personally, my stance on gun control is "guns are cool, I wish we could have them".
     
  10. SteakTartare

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    I am a strong advocate of the Second Amendment, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. The ability to defend yourself, family, and property is a fundamental human right and the Founders were wise to have it enshrined in the Constitution. Nonsensical gun laws only impact the law-abiding as anyone evil enough to commit violent crimes aren't going to abide by such statutes.
     

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