FACT: Atheists are Lost

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  1. JoshPosh

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    Actually North Korea's supreme ruler is considered a god in their eyes and they follow and worship him. They are not atheist at all.
     
  2. Alyce

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    I’d venture to say rather that the religious are lost. Throughout the past centuries religion has had a hold on all aspects of life – science, government, health, society. Now science has shown us that the world evolved, instead of popping into existence within God’s week’s worth of vocal exercises. The government has stopped showing preferential treatment to the Christian perspective and is now advocating for the rights of people of all opinions. Christians are struggling to hold onto an old identity steeped in tradition, and sometimes bigotry and repressive behavior, while the rest of society moves on in search of progress and reason. Christians are lost because their ideology says everyone must believe as they believe and live as they live, yet less and less people want to buy into old stories and antiquated ways of living. Christians think they’re being persecuted for having to live in harmony with differing ways of living. Christians want to see the world as a bad, sinful, ugly place – they think this is the way the world must always be. Yet where Christians rely on the notion of eternal damnation in hell to act respectfully and lovingly to others, there are countless atheists (as well people who are spiritual without having to strap a label on their beliefs) who act in beautiful and loving ways with no concept of eternal reward but rather are moved by the internal law of empathy for fellow humankind.

    Also, in reference to the horrific leap of reason that North Korea is atheist and therefore any atheist is like North Korea, this is a state that is repressed by a power hungry elite. And they are not atheist – they are officially taught that their leader is God. Anyone power hungry, religious or irreligious, is capable of atrocities. Let us not forget the Crusades, the Inquisition, and other forms of religious oppression.
     
  3. Rainman

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    Who commits the atrocities? The average citizens who've been brainwashed into believing the Kims are gods or the scientists and soldiers who know the leaders are no gods?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_North_Korea
    Based on estimates from the late 1990s and the 2000s, North Korea is mostly atheist and agnostic, with the religious life dominated by the traditions of Korean shamanism and Chondoism.
     
  4. Sunflogun

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    Now now, this is an interesting observation. In fact he sees himself as god and forces the population to see him the same way. It's all subjective or course, but he's far from being god as far as the rest of the world sees him.
     
  5. Sheppard

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    but they worship him and that is what theists do, they worship a "god" and typical argument but religious ppl neglect to mention that Norway, Sweden and the other one are atheistic countries and have they commit artocities? no
     
  6. niiro17

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    I don't like people saying that Atheists are lost or forcing them to convert or such. People should not do that kind of things, if that person believe on something or not it's their choice. It's not that I don't care about Religion or something, my Religion was Catholic but now I really don't know. I believe in God but the thing is I hate God because of various things. Also I hate the saying "It's God's choice." like what the heck.
     
  7. Rainman

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    "Hero worship" is far different from other forms of worship. So I think it proves that the North Koreans are religious. Anyway, whilst talking about North Korean being an atheist nation the reference is to the administration and their general attitude towards religion [in any form]. So since the North Korean regime doesn't recognize any religion we can make the assumption that it [North Korea] is an atheist nation.
     
  8. Sunflogun

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    Worshiping something will not lead us anywhere. We will progress when we actually do something inside of us spiritually. Of course that it will reflect our external actions too.
     
  9. JoshPosh

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    I find this fascinating. The argument is that people in North Korea look at their supreme leader as a god, and none believers, such as yourselves (maybe), don't believe in it and is making an argument that they have been brainwashed. It's kind of how I look at Christians and other religions. I think they are brainwashed and refused to look at things in another light.

    Everyone has their own biased preconceived notion about faith, and who is right and wrong. If I don't think like you do, then I'm wrong, and if you don't think like I do, then your wrong.
     
  10. Thejamal

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    Yeah, the title is confusing to me. Why are atheists lost? Because they don't believe in your god?

    I grew up catholic, but am not really religious now. One thing that's always bugged me that's gone on pretty much since the beginning of time is that if someone doesn't believe in your god, they are wrong and the only solution is to be converted to the right religion. I've just never bought into the belief that one religion got it "right." and have always thought people should be left to their own beliefs. Its not us to say that atheists are lost because they aren't religious.
     

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