Creationism in schools

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by PatriceBa, Jul 15, 2015.

  1. SteakTartare

    SteakTartare Senior Investor

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    Nope. Teaching fact is not Fascist or any other authoritarian belief system.

    Because one is rooted in the scientific method, facts, and reason. The other is bullplop concocted to explain away the inconsistency between a religious claim and verifiable data. Even if it wasn't, time in the classroom is finite, so education has to focus on real science.

    "There is no way a noted scientist is going to give equal time to ancient mythology to waste time when he could be presenting science."—Neil de Grasse Tyson
     
  2. TheApollonian

    TheApollonian Well-Known Member

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    I think religion shouldn't be taught at all in school unless you're entering a private Catholic university but that's a different problem altogether. I think religion should be taught in the home or in Church. Shoving creationism down children's throats will just confuse them because their parents didn't teach them these things. Public schools shouldn't have a hand in religion, that's my two cents (or you know they can accommodate all religions like having masses for Protestants, Lutherans etc.)
     
  3. JoshPosh

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    It wan't in mine. The only godly reference that was made was in the pledge of allegiance. If I had known better I would of not stood up. I would of sat down like the other Jehovahs Witness in the classroom. I can see why your private christian school taught creationism. It's part of their belief and it is private. But in public school, creationism shouldn't be allowed.
     
  4. FrankieD

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    I think teaching Creationism in school is fine, as long as it is a religious school or it is part of a religious course. I really don't see how anyone who isn't religiously brainwashed to the point where they lost their critical thinking skills would seriously claim it to be a legitimate science, qualified to be taught as a science class. I really don't get it. The basis of science is to collect facts that you can verify and test. Creationism is the opposite - no testable facts to make the conclusion that there is an intelligent designer. Never mind the next step that logic leads to, which is that this Designer up in the sky designed us to choke on food since it shares the same tube as air, and designed things to let babies suffer every day but then issues a book made edited from copies of copies of copies that warns of eating pork.

    Creationism is the Anti-Science, which is why you will find it all comfy and happy in the same areas that actually ban evolution from being taught. Evolution. You know, that science with a mountain of multi-layered streams of testable, verifiable evidence. Creationism comes in and points to whatever hole hasn't been yet filled or totally understood, and then in its semi-psychopathic manner says "Look! That's intelligent design!"

    I'll be brave and call BS.
     
  5. Hyperion

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    It depends on what form of Creationism they are talking about. The people who think the world is 6000 years old are criticized by many Christian groups as well as scientists. Darwinism and evolution are technically still theories with a lot still to prove. Cambrian explosion, etc.
    The Bible never tries to present itself as a science textbook even though it hinted at the realities of the scientific nature of the world far more accurately than any other religious books ever.
    I'm sorry Frankie D, but Evolution does not have a mountain of evidence behind it. Please read some articles from GodandScience.org and ReasonstoBelieve, as well as any of the teaching of William Lane Craig.
    I love how most of the argumentation from anti-God people tends to manifest itself in such outright hatred and vitriol. They always seem very insecure.
     
  6. FrankieD

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    You are confusing the common usage of theory with Scientific Theory. Evolution is a fact, the theory is on HOW we evolved (Natural Selection). I don't know what you are talking about but if you don't think a wide array of scientific fields have loads of evidence for how natural things evolve over time I will have to chalk it up for lack of wanting to see it. Hatred? The only thing I hate is the ignorance and push against progress religious conditioning has on the mind. I hate that in a competitive global world, millions of my fellow Americans are being taught that evolution is false and that species just popped in like magic as is. This goes against a mountain of testable and verifiable evidence, which is why 99% of all scientists world wide accept it and have moved on. So many scientific fields now either directly or indirectly involve evolutionary science. It hurts our effort to make America competitive when half the country thinks to be a formidable scientific force you have make whatever you find conform to whatever scripture happens to be popular. That has always been the cost of superstitious nonsense.

    I submit to you that you really are unfamiliar with it, and that you have not taken the time to really look at it objectively, because you are apparently keeping that switch in your brain on comfort mode.

    You mentioned the Bible. I've read the entire Bible unlike most Christians who don't even know that half of what they believe either isn't in the Bible or just happened to be edited in some centuries before. It most certainly makes scientific claims - claims about the reality of our world, the reality of the Nature we live in.

    You mentioned William Lane Craig. I've seen all his debates on Youtube. He is repetitive robot joke who has zero evidence. One debate you should watch if you haven't is where he gets crushed by Sam Harris (I'm not permitted to post links yet so search for "The God Debate II: Harris vs. Craig").

    The only thing religion is trying to hold on to, because it lost all other grounds to common sense and modernity, is the morality card. So Craig repetitively claims it is more likely than not God exists because without one, there is no objective basis for morality. I've seen this argument crushed dozens of times but he keeps repeating it like a robot.

    Look, I know I am unlikely to change your mind but if you were really out to find the truth you would spend the next year reading and listening to the other side and forget about what you want to think is true. Creationism is not science, it is a lame attempt to pretend there is evidence for a particular religious view, which there isn't. That is why it's called faith. You have to want to believe it when no real evidence supports it. And you my friend, have an emotional need to believe it, which is why you posted what you did.
     
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  7. SteakTartare

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    If one will pardon the expression, "Amen!" :D

    Evolution is both a fact and a theory, scientifically speaking. As to any confusion as to what is and is not evolution, enjoy this video:

    [video=youtube;fvQ1CzlMuXk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvQ1CzlMuXk[/video]
     
  8. jbepp

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    I personally think that all the theories should be taught in school and let the kinds decide what kind of thing they want to believe in. Not everyone likes science and not everyone likes religions, so omitting either one would be just directing the kind into a path they may not necessarily like. All the points of view are important, and all of them should be considered when making a decision.
     
  9. spaceboytaylor

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    Creationism isn't science. Evolution and Natural Selection are. So I think that creationism or any other explanation that hasn't been backed up the incredible amount that evolution has, doesn't really have a place in the core curriculum of a public school student. Public school should be a place that people from all walks of life could feel like they are being taught the right things. Now I'm not saying that creationism should be banned from being talked about, but I do think that it does have a better place in say as Social Studies class where other faith's beliefs can be talked about, and then maybe have some class discussions about personal beliefs. Not in a science class.
     
  10. kgord

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    I think it should be taught as like a footnote in a history or social studies class. "This is what some people believe"...then on to the real truth. I personally don't think it even belongs in a science class. It has been debunked for lack of fact several times. And if you want to believe the bible version you can opt to have a broad interpretation of it, but can not take it as actual fact or literally the way it is written. Sorry, to the fundamentalist folks, but this is just the truth!
     

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