Socialist or Facist?

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by SilverMill, Aug 31, 2015.

  1. petesede

    petesede Guest

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    Let us not forget that the stock market has had 7 yeas of solid gains. Unemployment is low and inflation does not exist.

    Let us also not forget that the person before Obama is the one who created the Dept of Homeland Security and gave the federal gov´t unprecedented powers to spy on it´s own citizens.

    Tell me again.. what did Obama do? give healthcare to $6M people

    I get that people are politically brainwashed.. but please.. socialist or facist? I think someone needs to turn off fox news for a few minutes and look outside your window.. the country is actually doing very well.
     
  2. User911

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    Inflation does not exist? You must never go to a grocery store. It takes my breath away almost every time I go in and see some of the prices. Many, many items are 5 bucks. Some are close to $10. For one item! I truly think that the only reason why the stock market has made gains is because Barack kept his hands off of it for some reason and it gradually and naturally recovered on its own. The main reason why it fell back in 08 is because of the housing debacle where loans were given to people for homes when there was NO WAY they could possibly maintain the loan. Unemployment has fallen gradually in some states but wages remain (very) stagnant along with our lackluster economic growth.

    Our nation is over 18 trillion in debt with basically no attempt to get this under control. I laugh when I hear about all the money we're going to give our mortal enemy (Iran). Where in the heck are we supposed to get this money from that we are giving them to turn around and destroy us? Fortunately, their number one targets in the U.S. are D.C. and NYC. We may very well get nuked in these cities, but the good news is that we can survive the removal of these cities. If Japan can survive and eventually thrive after their two nukes, we can do the same thing in our country. Too bad the Dems are so loyal to their party, they are willing to back a deal with Iran that will be the death of them. That's loyalty I guess. Or foolishness.
     
  3. User911

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    The void that occurred in Iraq was because of the REMOVAL of our presence over there. Iraq was a new, baby country not all that different from Germany right after WWII. What do you think would have happened if we had not kept a presence in Germany for years after the war was over? We provided stability until Germany could get back on their feet. By leaving Iraq too early (that was Barack's idea) it created THE void. All his military advisors told him not to do this but he did it anyway. Now Iraq is a mess, terrible, terrible atrocities are being committed against innocent people by ISIS and NOTHING is being done about it. With every passing month, it gets more and more chaotic over in the middle east. Right now, swaths of Syrian refugees are trying to make it across Europe because ISIS is killing people right and left in Syria.

    There wasn't much made about it in the press, but WMDs were eventually found, although from the sounds of it they were trucked to other countries like Syria. I'm still on the fence as to whether or not we should have invaded Iraq since it was actually Afghanistan that harbored Bin Laden. Nevertheless, we did go in and we should have left a decent presence there because that was the RIGHT thing to do, but no, Barack made a POLITICAL move and removed our presence. Billions of dollars, much blood, sweat and treasure was lost and is now in the hands of ISIS. All from politics. What ISIS is doing and all the chaos going on over there is greatly our fault.
     
  4. JR Ewing

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    No, Iraq was under control until 2011. True, it turned out in hindsight that it wasn't such a great idea to go there in the first place. But we had it all under control by the end of Bush's 2nd term, and once Obama failed to secure a SOF agreement and pulled out, it became the mess it is now.

    There was bad intel, and I'd bet that Hussein had assets moved out before they could be found anyway. The Iraq invasion had bi-partisan support - it was not a Republican-only thing the way Obamacare was a Dem-only thing.

    It's a good thing that Congress did frustrate at least some of Obama's attempted schemes. But they certainly haven't done enough to stop him.
     
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