Gun Control

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by Corzhens, Aug 28, 2015.

  1. petesede

    petesede Guest

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    I am not saying you are wrong in your conclusion.. but you are wrong about the reasoning. Can I own a tank? Can I own a nuclear weapon? Can I own a fully automatic weapon? Can I own armor piercing bullets? The liberals are never going to outlaw guns, but they can use the ´death by a million papercuts´ tactic.. and none of those papercuts are enough to cause it to be sent to SCOTUS.
     
  2. ScooterBrandon

    ScooterBrandon Senior Investor

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    Firearms are not the issue, it's a socio-economic issue.
    Let me give you the Canadian perspective.
    Sure our gun laws are more restrictive then the USA and the penalties for using a gun in a crime are harsher, but pretty much anyone can still get a gun here. In the city of Toronto organized crime can get illegal guns with ease.
    As JR pointed out, criminals and murderers don't give a hoot about the gun laws. My family on my fathers side has plenty of rifles in their homes as they hunt a lot and live in a rural area.
    I was talking to a young man from Cyprus the other day, he said a lot of home have AK-47's in them as they are part of some national defense militia (I have not yet googled to see if this is a true thing there or not yet, please correct me if he was telling me tales.)
    We don't have the same violence with guns as the States does.
    I don't think it's about guns. Putting more restrictions on them are just going to upset people and not really do any good. Besides the way ALL governments are going towards a police/surveillance states, I think it's important to put guns in the hands of free people.

    Look at the root causes. Often these crimes are committed by poorer, disenfranchised people with more often then not mental health and drugs/alcohol problems. THAT is where we need to aim our policy, at eliminating the root causes of this behaviour.
     
  3. norms options

    norms options Well-Known Member

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    Attempting to get rid of all personal gun ownership is an exercise in futility. I for one am glad that it would not be possible to accomplish because, even if they were able to get rid of all the illegal firearms, the prospect of the cops and military being the only ones with guns is not such a great idea. America is a great country because of our personal freedoms, and the more of those that we lose, the weaker the citizens become, which makes the country weaker as well. Do you really want to give all of the power over to the state?? Are you sure they have your best interest as their primary concern???
     
  4. Gloryontheway

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    You make a great point Corzhens,
    I feel that gun control doesn't have a major effect on the murder rates. Anyone with murder on their mind will murder with or without a gun. The right to have arms is actually a guarantee to the American individual through the Bill of Rights, that expresses the legal right to self-defense.


    In case a robber breaks into your household, you'll need a gun to defend yourself. In my opinion, everybody has a basic right to safe and sound schools, safe and sound places to worship, and safe and sound streets.


    In most cases, if a person would need to defend their partners, their kids, as well as any harmless people from another person's path with violence in their heart and mind that would require a person to defend our all-natural and legal right to carry a gun. If not a gun, then you need something to knock the hell out of whoever is trying to kill, steal and destroy.
     
  5. spaceboytaylor

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    Here is my take. If we lived in a world where guns weren't the primary tool used for violent crime, I would totally be against all gun use. A device that was created to either severely cripple or kill another human being should never have been invented in the first place. I however understand that the reality is that guns are used by criminals and taking away legal guns would possibly hurt a person's ability to defend themselves. That's why I think that there just needs to be a ban on all "heavy duty" guns, and make sure as little as possible make it into the country. With that, people will still be able to purchase a decent handgun or hunting rifle with the proper paperwork and an extensive background check, and with a very limited amount of hardcore guns left in the country, non-hunting guns can be mostly used for scaring people off, with the occasional shot to combat a serious situation.
     
  6. In the running

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    If it's physically possible, then it's possible. Your ideology is getting in the way of common sense.

    Is it probable? I would say not. Would it be extremely difficult? You bet it would be. Hence the assumption that it's improbable. But it is possible, and if it ever did happen, it would have to be across the board. Meaning that no law enforcement agency whatsoever in the U.S. would have a firearm of any sort.

    A total of 365 million people, or whatever our population currently is, with no guns of any sort. Imagine that scenario for just one minute if you could.

    Now..........are you going to argue against that? If you do, I feel sorry for you.
     
  7. kgord

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    Gun control is such a "loaded topic" pun intended. I really don't know what the answer is, to this raging debate, but in my opinion there are too many people know who irresponsibly handle guns as it is, and why do people think more guns is going to make this problem better?? it makes no sense. We don't live in the Wild West, or a vigilante world where we can shoot everyone that we think is a threat. And more guns, makes it more likely they are going to fall into the wrong hands...
     
  8. baudwalk

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    Don't feel sorry for me. Not worth my time arguing the repeal of the Second Amendment and the banning of guns with you or anyone else. It's not going to happen, end of story, exclamation point. The criminal element and punks with unregistered guns are the problem here. Go chase that one around the block for a while.
     
  9. Sunflogun

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    Sadly that is true, it's not going to happen anytime soon. After all the atrocities that have happened people continue to use more and more guns, so nothing will make them change this law I think.
     
  10. pwarbi

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    I'm over here in the UK and while we have strict gun laws, not even the local police are allowed to carry them over here, gun crime does still exist, always as done, always will do. It doesn't matter what laws you pass, people who want to commit a crime are going to do it, no matter what.
     

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