The world is ending. Filmmaker Michael Moore rebukes the Dem leadership.

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  1. baudwalk

    baudwalk Senior Investor

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    Hurry. Run. Seek high ground. Find cover. The world is ending. Miracles do happen. :eek:
    Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/03...ies-check-out-his-rubuke-314164#ixzz42I2ZhRdb
     
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  2. SteakTartare

    SteakTartare Senior Investor

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    Now there is a refreshing moment of honesty from one of the world's leading liars and spin-doctors. And I can believe I am actually about to say this, but ... I agree with Michael Moore, well, at least on this one comment. ;)

    It is true that decades of incompetence and corruption lead up to the mess in Flint. It is time for the American people to start demanding performance and accountability from our elected officials. If they can't hack it, they need to be booted out of office. If they did something criminal whilst in office, they should be toss into 6 by 8 cell. You know, like in the real world that the non-government class lives in.
     
  3. ScooterBrandon

    ScooterBrandon Senior Investor

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    Is this honestly the state of modern political discourse?
    Why did this "journalist" feel the need to start things off with "Far-left loon and occasional filmmaker Michael Moore?"
    I know all media has some bias, but this is absurd juvenile behavior. He somehow wants to spin this into a pro right wing argument. It's not, Mr. Moore is putting blame where it belongs. If one party does something dumb that does not make the other party smart by default. Can't we all work together to not live in terrible conditions? Why does it always descend into school-yard insults?

    I see this more and more on a daily basis, instead of putting forth good arguments, and responding with good arguments, people resort to name calling like they are stuck in middle school. It's quite sad actually.
    It got to the point people seem to not care about the true. They only care about "winning" and being "right" which are probably the two least important things going. Calling me a "libtard" does not automatically mean you are right and I am wrong and everything I say is just "mooching for free government handouts."
    Calling me a "Nazi" does not mean what I am saying is part of some totalitarian evil plan.
    I have been called both, for having the audacity to actually think critical on a subject, consult the relevant facts and make a decision that does not fit into some grand ideological scheme. There is more to things that just left and right. I can simultaneously think the death sentence is bad, religion is stupid and has no part in government, governments should tax and spend as little as they need to get the job done, education should be paid for by the state, labour unions are bad and labour/OHSA laws are good and many other things that defy one ideology. In fact my thinking like this is a cornerstone of modern pluralistic liberal democracies.

    Anytime someone starts attacking ME instead of the idea, I just discount them as having little education and take pity on them.
     
  4. Rosyrain

    Rosyrain Senior Investor

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    I have always appreciated the work of Michael Moore and how he is a voice for Michigan. The place has been in shambles for years because the leaders there do not know how to fix their own state. Much of that state is going to waste and nobody seems to know what to do about it. I do not agree with some of the things Michael Moore says, but I think he says things from his heart.
     
  5. SteakTartare

    SteakTartare Senior Investor

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    Perhaps. But have you ever seen the positively vile material out of one Michael Moore? It would make this op-ed look like a church bulletin by comparison. Sure, it doesn't make it right, but let us not forget who this individual is.
     
  6. ScooterBrandon

    ScooterBrandon Senior Investor

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    I have seen Mr. Moores work, most of it in fact.
    It's heavily biased, but what exactly is "vile" about it?
     
  7. SteakTartare

    SteakTartare Senior Investor

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    Honestly, you'd have to see it to believe it. No, I'm not defending the language you objected to in the original post, but the scandalous material Moore has produced over the years is really something else. He went completely off the rails during the administration of Dubya.
     
  8. ScooterBrandon

    ScooterBrandon Senior Investor

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    Like I said, I've seen alot of his work.
    VERY biased, clearly has an agenda but does not really hide it.
    A lot of it is pandering to a certain demographic, which is very typical of people from across the spectrum. Nothing really vile about it, though.

    From what I have read, the only "rails" Dubya knows about were the cocaine ones he was fond of snorting.
     
  9. ScooterBrandon

    ScooterBrandon Senior Investor

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    I didn't know much about the Flint crisis, but yesterday I had some free time so I tried to dig and see what's really going on there.
    I think the article OP provided us is a very biased and politically skewed look at the issue.

    My research indicates that Gov. Rick Snyder made Flint switch from Lake Huron to the Flint river to try and save some money.
    Now I am all for being fiscally responsible, but sometime you just have to put pragmatism and common sense ahead of ideology.
    Switching from one of the worlds largest bodies of clean fresh water to a river that's well known to be heavily polluted is just stupid.
    It's pure plain bad policy, saving money in the short term isn't worth making an entire town sick and ill. Sick people generate little economic activity and now much of the real estate in Flint is worth nothing.
     
  10. baudwalk

    baudwalk Senior Investor

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    My OP wasn't intended minimize the Flint water problem. Obviously it is a serious problem that was compounded by errors in judgement. Lead in water is found in older buildings in other urban centers. Newark, NJ, comes to mind at the moment. It was Moore's rare (if ever) and unusal position of taking the "right" position on a now-political issue that attracted my attention. :)
     

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