Any other non-American Trump supporters here?

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by Hedonologist, Mar 14, 2016.

  1. petesede

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    Reagan and Rubio made the same mistake. Reagan granted amnesty, but then afterwards never followed through with his plan to secure the border. In the Gang of 8 bill, Rubio repeated that mistake and tried to deal with illegal immigrants inside the country BEFORE securing the border, which is the reason the plan was rejected. The opinion of most is that we can´t give amnesty or a path to citizenship until after we have secured the border and stopped more from coming in.

    But the entire idea of a wall is stupid. San Diego has a wall and there are hundreds of tunnels under it. I know people that go to the USA twice a year and use tunnels under the wall, and they have been doing it for years. Trump wants to spend $10 trillion dollars building a wall, and then two mexicans with a couple shovels are going to be under it in a few weeks. El Chapo escaped from a maximum security prison because his people built a tunnel over a mile long that was able to perfectly connect to his prison cell, and that tunnel only took a couple months.

    It is totally stupid, if you want to stop illegal immigrants, then you fine the hell out of companies that hire them. You start fines at $100k for each illegal immigrant and those farms and hotels will think twice about it. I know Trump likes his rhetoric about rapes and crime, but the majority, probably 10M of illegal immigrants really do go to the USA just for farm, nanny and housekeeping jobs in hotels. If those jobs aren´t there, they stop coming.
     
  2. Hedonologist

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    But that isn't a TRUMP wall, I think he is going to build it with solid foundations very deep too. In addition to more border guards and possibly sonar or other movement detection.

    In addition to fines, there needs to be a compulsory 1 year jail sentence for owners/managers of companies that hire illegal immigrants.
     
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    Countries in Europe tend to be more liberal than the US, but they also seem to also have right wing groups that are more open to the public than the US. There are plenty of right wingers that support Trump overseas. At the end of the day, only the American electorate will matter in the election.
     
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    I still question his motives as well. I think at this point, he is seriously going for the white house, but it definitely began as a publicity stunt. Nobody, including himself, thought he would get this far into the race. Now were in this weird situation where he's likely going to get the nomination.
     
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    God forbid. :) I really do not fancy America and their modern 'city upon a hill' way of living. However, I find this elections very to be very fun and amusing. Especially this rich idiot Trump. I mean, he is obviously either very smart or just very lucky, since he has this amount of money but his statements and actions are ridiculous. It is like he is there to check how many crazy people there in the U.S. Those who will vote for him, that is. he is the funniest one and that Cruz guy. It is a tough choice but it is a circus for a great audience.
     
  6. petesede

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    Show me anywhere that Trump has given any details for ´his wall´ other than ´the wall just got 10 feet higher´. This is where it just gets stupid. Trump started out saying ´his´ wall would cost $4B. then it was $8B, then it was $12B. He has raised the cost of his wall from $4B to $12B in about 9 months. Experts, including people who helped construct the wall that is in Texas have said that a basic 30 foot wall, would cost closer to $25B. Now you (not him) are talking about having sonar over the course of 1000 miles? Having manned guard towers over the course of 1000 miles?

    It is a stupid idea, and anyone who followed what happened in 2007 in Texas knows it is a stupid idea. The land that borders Mexico is NOT owned by the US gov´t, almost all of it is private property, which means the gov´t would have to take, and pay for that land from individuals. Then you would have to build a major road along the entire 1000 miles border in order to ship in the huge amounts of concrete and steel. This is not dirt trails, the road itself would cost billions of dollars to be able to support the machinery needed. Finally, you have all types of natural terrains that make a wall impossible, you would end up with huge chunks of the USA on the wrong side of the wall. Try Googling about the golf course that had to be ´sacrificed´ to the Mexicans because the wall could not be built south of it.

    So you are talking about $25B to build the wall, another billion or two to build the infrastructure and roads needed to support the wall, and now you are saying manned guard towers and sonar? And again, El Chapo dug under a maximum security prison.. no matter how much money you spend on the foundation for a 1000 mile wall, he is going to be able to dig 8 feet under it. Just use some common sense. The people building the wall have to be able to do it for 1000 miles, he only has to be able to do it for 5 feet wide.
     
  7. petesede

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    This is a fairly accurate yet simplified ´life of Donald
    1. Born to a man with a net worth of about $1 billion

    2. Received a million dollar loan when he graduated college

    3. Created a publicly traded casino company that went bankrupt 4 times. There would have been a 5th time except his father drove to Atlantic City and bought $3 million dollars in chips so that Donald could make payroll. The company was publicly traded on the NYSE for 10 years, and in those ten years it never was profitable.

    4. His father died, Donald inherited $200 million.

    5. Trump tried his hands at Steaks, water, magazine and an airline. The steaks and airline went bust very quickly. The water and magazine which started out trying to be for consumers, have basically become shell companies that only provide their products for a dozen or so trump resorts. You can only buy Trump water at a dozen of his resorts, and the Trump magazine only prints a few thousand copies which can only be found at the resorts.

    6. Trump will tell you his net worth is $10B. Most experts put it between $6 to $8B, which most of that solely is his ´brand´, not physical assets. He points outs out his NYC development projects, but most sources put him outside the top 20 as far as the value of developers in NYC. Trump does one thing well, he puts his name on everything which is how he became famous in the 1980s.. by putting his name on casinos which were not even profitable.

    The good thing Trump does is leverage his brand. In almost every deal he makes including Trump towers he finds investors to work with who value his brand. In one case, he built a building with a partner from Japan. The partner paid for 90% of the costs, and they split the profit 50-50. Trump exploited his brand and the investor knew that having the Trump name on the property would instantly increase the value. Since 2000, that is the main way Trump has made his fortune with the resorts and buildings. He does not build stuff particularly well, he just finds investors who are willing to pay 75% to 90% of the costs in order to take 50% of the profits.

    It is no different than Oprah, Kanye West or the Kardashians. You create a brand and then you go into business with partners who are willing to pay the majority of the costs for a smaller portion of the profits.
     

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