Is the US wrong for getting involved in global issues?

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by alexisfinch24, Jun 16, 2014.

  1. Kate

    Kate Senior Investor

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    Really now? Hmmm.... So you didn't answer where you're from. Or... anything else I asked. Oh... I'm not really sure that asking someone where they're from is a personal attack... well, unless they're ashamed of it, but if saying where you're from offends you, please forgive me.

    Or age, although that was kind of tacky of me, wasn't it? Actually I told alexisfinch myself in one of the threads a few weeks ago that you never ask a lady her age or weight... but I can't really tell if you're a woman, so... forgive me for that. I *am* curious, but that's nothing new.

    Well anyhow, I am *so* very proud to be an American and I do realize that we often come under attack for being a strong nation that doesn't kiss .... well, we won't go there!

    Anyhow, your nine word reply to me didn't have any poison in it, so thank you for that!
     
  2. Kate

    Kate Senior Investor

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    Aw, I often don't bother either, JR... but by golly, sometimes it just bubbles and bubbles and my lid flies off.

    Thank you for serving... I can't even make myself think of what this country would be like without our veterans risking *all* to keep America a place that we're proud to call home.
     
  3. Casper

    Casper Well-Known Member

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    Kate, I don't really see the relevance of your personal questions, I am what I think, do and say, what difference does it make how old I am or where I am from or any other unrelated personal information. It is not about me, it is about the thread title. alexisfinch asked a question and I answered it with my personal view. Many people share my view and many people agree with alexisfinch's view, that is political debate... end of story.

    I supported the war on Iraq initially but it was sold on a barefaced lie and many people now see that; which is why public support for such 'interventionism' has drastically reduced to such an extent that the vast majority are against intervening.


    So much for democracy then?

    This is in large part to do with facts being publicised by alternative media via the internet which counters the mainstream media parroting of governmental warmongering. The facts speak for themselves. Millions dead, maimed, displaced and impoverished for corporate greed and the geopolitical power of the elite. Once you start investigating these things the mask falls away and you see it has nothing to do with 'democracy or freedom' and is all about paranoia, power and greed. Obviously other Countries have their own elites who are equally as corrupt as the U.S and European elites but at this time in history the U.S is the driving force in illegal wars and empire building. That is a fact not an opinion.

    There is no 'poison' in my words, no personal attacks. I simply responded to the question with an opinion derived from fact and reliable sources and I made my point that I think the U.S foreign policy is fatally flawed, promotes reactive terrorism against the West and poses a serious risk to world peace by carrying out state sponsored terrorism against innocent people under a barefaced lie of 'promoting freedom'. If Alex didn't want opposing views, then perhaps he shouldn't ask such questions. I would be interested to know why he did in fact pose the question.

    You may find this interesting.

    http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/ar...-us-military-strategy-and-its-implications-fo

    A third of all homeless Americans are veterans

    http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat.../to-cut-veteran-homelessness-cut-the-red-tape

    http://www.channel4.com/news/us-veterans-returning-soldiers-now-battling-homelessness
     
  4. Kate

    Kate Senior Investor

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    Okay, Casper... we'll play it your way. But "where ya from?" is a perfectly normal question to ask in a forum. Age is trickier but I've heard the exact things you've said before, and it's 95% of the time coming from someone under 30, so I mentioned that.

    Now since you don't want to play, I won't get to use my sociology background and respectfully (always!) say that by your words alone, I'd guess male, around 26, atheist, possibly expat, and from... tough one... maybe Southeast Asia. But I'm probably rather rusty by now so maybe it's more like female, 55, Europe, strong Catholic. :) As the old commercial says, "the world may never know."

    But seriously, lightening up would be great. Everyone knows that U.S. and often U.K. bashing has become popular. Conversations can be done with respect. If the things I said offended you, I am truly sorry... but you did come into this investment forum and started right in with the flaming in the political section, and to some that may look a little trollish, so it's always better to make sure, don't you think?
     
  5. BudFox

    BudFox Well-Known Member

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    If the US didn't then someone else would is the short answer. Unfortunately, wars cost money and lives. You can only go to the well so often before people refuse to offer their cash or their lives for something that doesn't benefit them directly.
     
  6. Annabell

    Annabell Well-Known Member

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    Christ almighty! This thread has really blown up like a powder keg.

    Maybe we should all take a step back, take a few breathes and calm down. Insulting and attacking each other isn't going to help anyone.
     
  7. alexisfinch24

    alexisfinch24 Well-Known Member

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    This is not where I wanted this thread to go. It really makes me sad to know a politcal debate can not happen without two sides making threats. Kate, thank you and JR for atanding up for me. Casper, I told you I done with our debate. I am sorry it escalated to this poing. I agree witb Annabell about everyone taking a breath and, lets all agrer to disagree and move on. We are all entitled to our respective opinions. Plain and simple.
     
  8. Gelsemium

    Gelsemium Senior Investor

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    OK, it seems I am arriving in a good time when everything is calmer? :)

    I think each country should worry about what's happening inside their borders and outside too if they do it for altruistic reasons and with the agreement of the other countries involved, at least that's how I see it.
     
  9. Casper

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    I have found my views mostly preferred by people such as John Pilger, Ron Paul, Naom Chomsky, Kanwal Sibal, George Galloway and early Christopher Hitchens etc to mention a few so I am not sure where you get your demographic from analysis from.

    Nice hedging Kate... :) The trader in you is showing. Phewww... least I didn't get labelled a communistic jihadist from Chad (this is playful)

    I am not easily offended and politics is a contentious issue which is why I was surprised to see it on an investment forum but I don't agree that I started in with flaming, my first post on this subject started
    which I think is pretty neutral but if I offended you or Alex, I am sorry but the question was posed and I couldn't resist. I am really very friendly and I have absolutely no animosity toward anyone on this forum :).

    Pax
     
  10. Strykstar

    Strykstar Well-Known Member

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    That's right, each country should concern themselves firstly with their internal affairs and problems and only then look to solving world issues.
    And by solving world issues I mean actually *helping* other countries who are having troubles, not meddling their affairs and starting silly wars.
     

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