Bernie Sanders

Discussion in 'Politics Discussion' started by Rosyrain, Aug 12, 2015.

  1. baudwalk

    baudwalk Senior Investor

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    Sanders is forcing Hilliary even further to the left. Reversing course, she now proposes raising the Social Security cap, something she campaigned against in 2008. Read the gory details -- http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/08/13/Sanders-Effect-Clinton-Moves-Left-Social-Security-Taxes -- here. Emblematic of the confuzzled desperate thinking -- I use the word "thinking" loosely -- as the campaign circles the shower drain, dragged down by a file server and other bothersome weights.
     
  2. petesede

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    Seriously, it is exactly what happened to Romney last time. People are just fed up with both parties for ´appointing´ people before the process has even started so they push back by becoming enamored with the flavor of the month. Hillary vs Bush would just show that this country is indeed bought and paid for by the people who run the two parties.
     
  3. JoshPosh

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    We already pay a ton on the wars in the middle east. Take those away I think we can handle the healthcare and education. That was one of the points Sanders actually made during one of his interviews. The shift of resources has to be in reinvesting in the American people and not spending trillion on a war in the middle east, and putting the bill on the credit card. That is what is needed in my opinion. It's not clear cut as to how he is going to do it. But the idea is there and other countries do have free public education and healthcare. There are people that have moved to other countries just so they can get free health care. Germany has free public education. Why can't America? Or is the math too much to bare? Or maybe we just can't see beyond the wars that we create and the lives we s lose in the middle east. Wars cost money, foreign aid cost money. Cut those back or off, and we will have a substantial amount to invest back into the country.
     
  4. baudwalk

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    Josh, it isn't the friggin' conflicts in the Middle East that sap the federal budget. (Take away the military and deal with the IS on our shores.) Isolationism doesn't work. Two world wars taught us that nasty lesson. You complain about taxes yet say government should invest in the AmerIcan people. Don't you get it? You can't grow the economy by pushing on a wet string. You can't tax an economy into prosperity. It doesn't work. Remember how the shovel-ready jobs stimulus crashed and burned? The government (federal and state) needs to get out of the way of business and reduce the nonsense regulations choking incentives to reinvest. Reduce or eliminate the foreign earnings repatriation tax rate to bring those monies stateside. Both actions would encourage capital expansion, manufacturing, and employment, not to mention new business startups. Increased business performance translates into increased tax revenues. Look at history. Reduction of tax rates produced increased revenues. Pay down the $18 trillion national debt to reduce the huge proportion of the annual federal budget that must now be applied to a huge debt service. It's a win-win situation. Replace the current horrendous social engineering tax system with an easier to manage flat tax, akin to Forbes' 1996 proposal. Socialism doesn't work. Look closely at the domestic problems of the European countries.
     
  5. SteakTartare

    SteakTartare Senior Investor

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    Indeed. Last year, 66% of Federal spending was on entitlements. That includes welfare programs, social(ist) security, medicare, medicaid, other health care programs, and net interest on said.

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    I'm all for ending endless bloodbaths overseas too, but lets get real about where the dollars are going. Providing everyone "free" healthcare and a college education is going to cost a ton of money.
     
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  6. Largebill

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    Really? Free this and free that for everyone! Do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? There is no such thing as free. When you say you want something for free you are really saying you want someone else to pay for it for you and you want the government to force them to do so. Remove the government from the sentence and you are saying you want to steal it from others (mostly our grandkids). Also there is no such thing as anthropogenic climate change either. Earth has gone through warm periods and ice ages since the beginning of time. Please do everyone a favor and do not vote until you're able to look at things a little deeper than surface slogans.
     
  7. AtlantaSports

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    This may sound a little bit partial/unfair, but I think his age is a big issue here. I don't know if I would want someone of that age as a president, to be honest. It just screams bad things.
     
  8. JoshPosh

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    It's called higher taxes and reorganizing where the country spends there money. We don't have to spend trillions on a war in the middle east. Other countries have free health care and public education. Switzerland has free healthcare. Germany has free public education. It is doable. It is something that has been in place for decades but American or ignorant people still don't think it is possible to do it. Other countries have laid the footprint to do it. We just need to follow it or fit it to our needs.

    Everyone likes to question my free crusade, everyone should start questioning the free war that is being waged in the middle east. Who's paying for that? The taxpayers. Make a war and put it on the credit card. Does anyone benefit for paying for a war? Nope. That can easily go to healthcare and education.
     
  9. roneverett0112

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    So you're good with the government taking my money and giving it to you. And what do you have to add to your utopian society. You say you are an investor. What do you invest? Your parents probably make you invest part of your allowance in your piggy bank. That's my bet.
    There are plenty of communist countries that would love to have the services of an "investor". Pick one out and maybe I can come up with the fair as long as you promise never to return.
     
  10. JoshPosh

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    You need to add a "reply with quote" so we know who you are replying to. If you don't then you seem to be talking to everyone. I'm going to assume you are talking to me, since this seems like a attack on my valid points where yours doesn't. All it does is attack my upbringing and my parents. Not too bright in my book.

    First of all, it is not eutopia, it is a fact that it is happening in other countries and it would best fit the needs of the people to have these rights. I guess you are one of those people that like to pay for wars in the middle east? You know that your taxes are paying for that? Did you have a say in that? Probably not. But yet you like to shoot down my ideas and thoughts on the matter. Why don't you come up with some bright ideas so we can come to an understanding and not resort to calling out ones upbringing and parents.

    Other countries have free healthcare and education. Why can't we. Our taxes should be reinvested into ourselves and not wars in other countries. Do you agree with that? It is not about getting as much as possible for free. If you pay your taxes, you are paying for it. I pay taxes, I should get it free. Do you understand that? Do you see the correlation as to how my taxes is being reinvested into myself. Or did you get the idea that I was a bum who stayed home and did nothing but collect like a fake welfare recipient? Your assumptions make you less intelligent.
     

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