Meditation in Place of Religion

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  1. manoharb

    manoharb Senior Investor

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    You have many illusions and misunderstandings about word 'Meditation'. Meditation is part of 'Yoga' and Yoga is not part of any religion. Meditation is part of Zen Philosophy too. Think about your destiny, until you find way to achieve that. If destiny is relationship with Christ, does that mean Christ is a demon ? no. What Christ did in this world, instead of that, Think, what Christ achieved internally. Christ is not a politician so you can compare his achievements in world. Christ made 'mano-vijay' means he achieved victory over his mind, that's how he separated himself from Sin.
    What is Christ ? wild card ? so without victory over mind, you have relationship with him ? Meditation is all about victory over own mind, emotions, pain etc. only after that, you can separate yourself from sin.
    why rapes, crimes, sin happens in world ? because of mental weakness, do law and order of this world forgive criminal ? then why Christ will forgive ? what is Christ , a corrupt bribe taker ? criminal will do sin, visit any church, pay some charity amount, confess and Christ will forgive him ? never.If 1 criminal regret for his sin and never did that again, Christ will forgive him only, because, he made mistake as a human. but like animal, he didn't repeated his mistake.
    1 magnet attracts another magnet-pole or piece of iron, when it comes in range of that magnet. Meditation is all about Victory over mind.It's human psychology, what we think, that we becomes. without victory over mind, how you can separate yourself from sin ? when human achieve victory over his own mind, emotions, sin etc. he enters in range of enlightenment and after that relationship with Christ get done.

    tell me, Victory over own mind can be a part of any religion ? every human want that, need that and Meditation is a way of victory over mind.


    Once sit, 4-5 hours in a Church for meditation and in mind, think about only relationship with Christ and then tell me, meditation is demonic, dangerous, ungodly or not.
    1side you speak about sin and another side, you condemns meditation which is way of victory over sin ? meditation, Yoga subjects are part of Darshanshastra, means science of enlightenment or relationship with christ. and science can't be a property of any religion. it's for all humans.
     
  2. manoharb

    manoharb Senior Investor

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    1 more, To sit many hours for meditation for relationship with Christ, is only possible, if you really love Christ so much and you want relationship with him. sit in lotus posture, after 1 hour meditation pain will start in your legs, you can feel your body is paralyzing, in such condition, you have to use that pain as a weapon. slowly, pain will be no more and thoughts, ego inside your mind and brain will disappear like bubbles in lake. your mind will get zero, reason of sin will disappear and then nothing will exist inside you, except relationship with Christ. If you came back from this samadhi, try to stand-up, you will see, your legs still paralyzed, put more steps slowly and then you will get fine and normal.
    I already did this many times.
     
  3. manoharb

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    Remind me, 1 ancient story, in 500B.C.E. when King Alexander attacked India. He invited Digemius means Dandamis, a monk. but, Dandamis refused his proposal. then Alexander visited Dandamis and asked him, you don't fear to death , so you don't follow my orders ? Dandamis answered, King, tell me, why you are fighting this war ? Alexander answered, I want to Conquer this world. Dandamis answered, I'm fighting with stronger enemy than yours and still you think, I fear you ? Alexander asked gently, who is that enemy ? I will like to conquer him also. Dandamis answered, King, that enemy is my own mind.
    Alexander said with respect, yes, your enemy is more stronger than mine. after that, when Alexander left India. He took 1 Indian monk with him as a spiritual master and that monk, took samadhi in Fire without fear near Babylon.still grave of that monk exists.

    Meditation is a part of Yoga, not religion, show me in Raaj-yoga, 1 word about religion. not 1 word about religion. Yam, Niyama, Aasan, Pranayam, Prathyahar, Dharna , Dhyaan, Samadhi. more or less, all religions based on these words. but, these words are not part of any religion. they are for all humans.
     
  4. briannagodess

    briannagodess Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone committed to meditation regularly in this way (i.e. at least once a week, long term)?

    I do meditate at least once a day just to re-focus and recharge my mind and body. I've been doing this since last year and it has really helped me become a better person.

    How has it benefited your life?

    Well, it has helped me focus on more important tasks. Before I used to become anxious even with just little mistakes. Now I am more calm and relaxed as well even if problems are arising.

    I would also like to know suggestions for complete newcomers to meditation. If you were advising an absolute beginner, what tips, advice, books, and meditation music would you suggest?

    I would say that the internet itself is a great place for newbie meditators. YouTube has tons of beginner videos for people like you. It even includes the music and the narration already.


    And of all the religions who practice meditation, I'd also like to know which advice you suggest in terms of schools of thought.

    It's up to you really. There's Vipassana, Buddhist, Mindfulness, Yogic and a lot more. You would have to decide for yourself since it took me a while before I realised what meditation type is best for me.
     
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  5. Alex

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    I find people use the word 'meditate' is different ways. Some people will say they switch of their computer and close their eyes for 10 minutes and meditate; now is that meditating or taking a break?

    Then there are people who do hourly or daily as in full day meditations. If you have the time for this then fine, but most people don't. Most end up falling asleep. I was in one workshop and we were asked to meditate for a while and someone ended up snoring, so meditation can be part of a ritual or a term to take a break as far as I am concerned.
     
  6. TaurusHorns

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    I would say meditation and religion are nowhere near the same thing - a religion is a construct, where meditation is a process of action. A religion has depth and circumstance and comparison, where meditation is just a process to move towards different ideas.
     
  7. xTinx

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    I don't think meditation will be able to replace religion. For one, what would happen to your preconceived notions of right and wrong? Who would check and balance your perceptions? What type of values would you adhere to if you have nothing but your inner self to call on to?

    At the end of the day, to each their own. If meditation works for you, then pursue it by all means. But religion, probably because there are guidelines and moral check-and-balances, give believers a clear direction.
     
  8. roger1003

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    Meditation is good for your body but this should not replace Religion. Religion and worshipping God is completely different from Meditation. Meditation is just relaxing your body, thus, improving your health.
     
  9. pwarbi

    pwarbi Senior Investor

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    I also see meditation and religion as two separate things, and while they may have some similarities, I think people will get more out of religion, as long as they believe in that God of course.

    Meditation for me is just a way to be at one with yourself and the world around you, but religion offers more than that.
     
  10. manoharb

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    Before Meditation, take your blood sample. after some hours, Sit in Lotus Posture for 1 hour meditation and then take another blood sample. You will find, Your blood purified.Its not Miracle, Its your breath and body locking system which reduce stress by killing Toxic or Poisonous elements in your blood. I do meditation most times, because of meditation, I daily sleep 6 hours only and Meditation can do anything, it have no limits. meditation can make impossible possible. for Meditation also, Celibacy is must. Celibate get fast results of Meditation. people who made sex hard work, not entertainment, by taking pills like Viagra. They will never get results fast.
     

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