Obama to order strengthened overtime pay rules

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  1. wanderingwildman

    wanderingwildman Well-Known Member

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    This guy is completely insane. I have been away for the last year and a half in Taiwan. He gives me absolutely no desire to return to America. It is a shame too. Because I think a lot of people are going to blame it on race. It has nothing to do with race. He is just nuts! I was really rooting for him in the beginning.
     
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  2. Annabell

    Annabell Well-Known Member

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    How exactly is he insane?
     
  3. wanderingwildman

    wanderingwildman Well-Known Member

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    The executive orders are what seem the strangest. It is like he has no regard for the constitution. How do you feel about him?
     
  4. JR Ewing

    JR Ewing Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Agreed. He's an ideologue obsessed with socialist / fascist big govt and social / economic / racial "justice". And he's beholden to his radical leftist supporters with deep pockets and ulterior motives, such as the radical environmentalists and big unions. He puts his buddies in important positions to do his bidding and take the heat for it, and also has them attack political dissenters. And perhaps most frightening is that the media is practically his PR firm.

    He used to really remind me of those well-spoken and crafty black evangelists we've all heard preaching on tv, and also a bit of those charismatic white southern politicians like Huey Long who preached ideas like "Every Man a King!".

    Nowadays he reminds me more and more of a 21st century Jim Jones or other cult-like fascist ruler or dictator.
     
  5. Kate

    Kate Senior Investor

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    Oooooh! Well now, *that* would explain the blind following of the sheeples who seem to be oblivious to the nightmares that are happening because of horribly bad decisions. "Cult-like"... that's a good description.

    I've actually heard more than one person say that they "don't say much" due to the fear of being called a racist for disagreeing with *anything* that's being done. Good gracious, *that* is what we've come to???? :mad: Sheeple. And a very dangerous position to take, methinks.
     
  6. Kate

    Kate Senior Investor

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    ... Or perhaps the totally opposite of insane and people are mostly oblivious to that fact? And to the point where no one sees the nasty things coming one after another until it's too late? Check the history books... it's frightening and to see it happening in my own country is... well, just not acceptable. Hope it hasn't gone too far to be stopped.

    In any case, you're absolutely right that the race card will be pulled out. That's why a lot of it is happening while people who could change it stand numb with a zombie look on their faces. It's like "I'm going to demand all men in the country wear pink shoes" and the response is "But we can't *possibly* disagree with that order or we'll be called racist!" *UN*acceptable but there it is... almost daily. :(
     
  7. LindaKay

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    This doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. I mean, a lot of companies make people "salaried" just so that they can get more work out of them without having to pay them for it. Overall, I'm not an Obama fan, but I don't really see how this is a bad idea.
     
  8. Kate

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    A lot of things look good "on paper" or "in the books" but most of those things end up opening the door to bad practices that weren't there before.

    Okay, so off the top of my head for why it *may* be a bad idea (I'm not up to speed on this, so just talking from the little I understand of it.) And I used to work for a place that would take full advantage of this by making the workers victims. Salaried workers get the same pay each month and that's that. No matter how much work they do. It stinks, but that's beside the point. :D There are also raises in salary when the economy and profits allow.

    Sooo, sure as I'm sitting here, if some government law would demand those salaried workers get paid extra for overtime work, that company would without any doubt have to "make up" those losses elsewhere. This is a sucky economy... and after the Obamacare fiasco hurting so many small and medium sized businesses, this on top of it would bring a whole new slew of shut-downs.

    So those next raises that may have come... forget about it. A previous family leave/new mom program that was quite generous would probably be closed down. Christmas bonus for salaried workers? Sorry, bud, not THIS year! Bottom line, when there are "laws" made about things like this, it's the dude and dudette on the bottom of the totem pole that end up suffering... what good is getting paid a little more for overtime if those extra expenses are going to bust your company?

    Unless the government is planning to pay for all these extra burdens they're placing on businesses... fat chance of that! :) Sometimes I wonder if it's being done on purpose. Food for thought.
     
  9. FivebyFive

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    I hate to say it but while I respect those people who have had zero issue with overtime being credited properly and granted properly in the past I personally have had a couple of incidents as an hourly employee where I was forced to work overtime and not compensated for it. Then again that may still be a problem that should be dealt with on a company by company basis without the president barging in to make any kind of regulation.
     
  10. SteakTartare

    SteakTartare Senior Investor

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    I'd agree that is a problem. An hourly wage worker getting stiffed on overtime is not only unethical, its a crime. There are laws in place to protect workers in that case.

    Salaried employees are a different matter though. We've agreed to a set salary to get the job done. That job may be in the form of a slow-paced 40-hour work week, a gonzo 80+ hour work extravaganza, or some point in between. Don't like the conditions? You can renegotiate or bail. Good luck in this labor market though.
     

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