Pope Says Workers Have "Human Right" To Refuse Same Sex Marriages Licenses.

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  1. Rainman

    Rainman Senior Investor

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    The Pope believes anyone who prevents others from exercising their religious freedom [like refusing to issue a marriage license to same sex couples for example] is denying them a human right.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/po...ger-catholic-church-sex-abuse-victims-n434681
    What do you think of the Pope's sentiments?
     
  2. Amin

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    I think Pop Francis is a very good person, I like him and in this particular case, he's right. I'm glad to hear he contributes to human right instead of thinking just about his religion.
     
  3. TheApollonian

    TheApollonian Well-Known Member

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    I think what the Pope means here is that we are human first before followers of a religion or that human rights is a far more basic and fundamental right than the laws of a government. I read that the pope is going to talk to her, I think he's gonna make it fair for everyone involved. In any case she shouldn't be sitting there if she can't do her job.
     
  4. kgord

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    Well this may be true. I think that people should let others in the office issue the licenses if it is against their conscience. Many states have laws on the books where workers are allowed to object to items like this in a consciencous way. It is just one of the ways to give people their due and their right to exercise their religion. It is simply one of the options we have as human beings I think.
     
  5. Penny

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    Well, he is a little bit Catholic, you know. And there is explicit Catholic doctrine on this issue. So if he wants to see it as civil disobedience, well I can understand it without agreeing with it.
     
  6. greybird29

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    While I do agree that no one should be deprived their religious rights or human rights. As much as Kim Davis says her stance is about religious beliefs, maybe she should have thought about that before she applied for the job. If she does not want to do her job based on her “religious beliefs” the resign or quit.
    I certainly could not go to work and tell them I refuse to sell pesticide because it hurts the environment, or candy and pie because I am on a diet, or gold crosses and bibles because I am atheist (I am not) my boss would say fine your resume is accepted. Her history clearly shows she is not headstrong on religion nor has ever been. She chooses to use religion as an “excuse” to not do her job and to gain attention; which has clearly worked for her. Before this is over she will probably be rich; just imagine how much she charges for a interview…
     
  7. Corzhens

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    Are you sure Pope Francis is not misquoted or his statement not taken out of context? The Bible is clear on the issue of Sodom and Gomorrah, the reason for the great destruction is homosexuality. And the word Sodomy was taken from that sinful city. The society may be permissive as to legalize same sex marriage but I'm sure the Bible which is old fashioned will stick to its tradition that man is for woman and woman is only for man. Pardon me for the homosexuals here, no offense meant, just expressing my thoughts on the issue of Pope Francis.
     
  8. SteakTartare

    SteakTartare Senior Investor

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    I can't believe I'm saying this because I'm both a lapsed Catholic and a Libertarian, but he does have a point. The right of conscience is a fundamental human right. I suppose some accommodation should be put in place so that no one's religious beliefs are offended and, yet, the duties of the office are fulfilled per the SCOTUS ruling. In other words, lets work towards win-win, rather than brutalizing either side.
     
  9. ScooterBrandon

    ScooterBrandon Senior Investor

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    I wish I had the "right" not to do my job because of an opinion...
    Hogwash and nonsense.
    These people need to shut up and do the job they are being paid for, or get fired and bring in someone that will.
    Big waste of time and money.
     
  10. gmckee1985

    gmckee1985 Senior Investor

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    I agree for the most part. However, if you work in a government job I think you should follow the law. I have my own personal feelings about various things, but I'm always a professional and put my personal feelings aside and do my job regardless of the circumstances. For the most part, I think others should do the same. Religious beliefs are certainly important, and I'm all for exercising them if it's that an important to an individual. Just not when they hold a government job.
     

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